Demystifying Depression: Surprising Symptoms and Unexpected Treatments with Dr. Margaret Rutherford & Johann Hari

Original Air Date Wednesday, January 23, 2019

If research shows there are nine reasons for anxiety and depression and only two of them are biological, why have we been fed a distorted picture of what causes our darkness? What aspects of our society lead us to separation and why do people from developed nations feel the need to hide failures and vulnerabilities from others? Host, Lisa Cypers Kamen speaks with two authors who have made it their life’s work to demystify depression and unravel the intricacies of anxiety. Dr. Margaret Rutherford uncovers the connection between perfectionism and suicide and Johann Hari discusses the impact the loosening fabric of society has on the current generation in the United States and Britain.


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Dr. Margaret Rutherford — Perfectly Hidden Depression:
  • Dr. Rutherford describes the link between perfectionism, detachment, and suicides. [4:28]
  • How to start conversations with friends, family, or others about vulnerabilities. [9:58]
  • Syndromes and distortions of the mind remind us that depression can be very dark. [21:23]
  • The importance of support systems and the role of therapists. [26:48]

Born in Pine Bluff Arkansas, Dr. Margaret Rutherford began her career after graduating from Rhodes College in Memphis with a degree in French. After living abroad, she worked as a jingle singer, while performing Jazz at night. Her career path transitioned upon earning a Music Therapy Degree from SMU, leading her to a Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology from the University of Texas, and she’s been practicing ever since.

Book: Perfectly Hidden Depression


Margaret Rutherford Website
Margaret Rutherford on Facebook

Johann Hari — Lost Connections:
  • Why Johann wrote his latest book, Lost Connections and what his research revealed. [33:41]
  • If humans are a social animal why are there so many lonely people? [36:57]
  • The underlying causes of anxiety and depression and the antidepressant effect of the natural world. [42:55]
  • A Kaiser Permanente study revealed the link between childhood trauma and anxiety and depression. [52:30]

Johann Hari is the New York Times bestselling author of Chasing the Scream, which is being adapted into a feature film. He was twice named Newspaper Journalist of the Year by Amnesty International UK. He has written for the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, and others, and he is a regular panelist on HBO’s Real Time with Bill Maher.

Book: Lost Connections: Uncovering the Real Causes of Depression — And the Unexpected Solutions

The Lost Connections Website
@JohannHari101 on Twitter
Johann Hari on Facebook

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