Multiple Intelligences: Creating a Connected Society and Culture with Fred Dust & Dr. Thomas Hoerr


Original Air Date Wednesday, June 9, 2021 


People feel happier when they are emotionally engaged in meaningful conversations and when actively invested in learning something they care about.Successful people are not only knowledgeable about facts and figures, they also have multiple intelligences in several modalities. To discover how we can redesign our post-pandemic future to bring forth a more meaningful and happier life, Positive Psychology Podcast Host Lisa Cypers Kamen speaks with two authors whose latest books focus on creating emotional connection through communication tools. Fred Dust discusses his book, Making Conversation: Seven Essential Elements of Meaningful Communication and details the benefits of deeper, meaningful conversations in society. And, Dr. Thomas Hoerr describes the framework of his book, Taking Social-Emotional Learning Schoolwide: The Formative Five Success Skills for Students and Staff, and how it can positively affect teachers, faculty, students, and learning.

Fred Dust — Creating a Connected Society Through Communication:

  • Three types of conversations people fear having. [3:09]
  • Are issues of anxiety and loneliness at the core of the opioid addiction epidemic and gun violence? [6:17]
  • Small rural environments offer an opportunity for more frequent, longer, deeper conversations. [7:57]
  • In his book, Making Conversation, Fred outlines essential elements of meaningful conversations, including commitment. [13:07]
  • How to artfully opt-out of a conversation. [18:45]
  • Unconditional positive regard and active listening is love. [21:40]>li
  • How active listening deepens a relationship. [25:20]

Fred Dust was a Senior Partner and Global Managing Director at international design firm IDEO. A leading voice and practitioner of human-centered design and networked innovation, he helps organizations in media, finance, retail, and health confront disruption stemming from shifts in consumer behavior, social trends, economic pressures, and new technology. Prior to IDEO, Dust worked as an architect and spent eight years working with independent artists and major art organizations. He chairs the board of Parsons and sits on the board of the New School, NPR, and the Sundance Institute. He lives in New York City.

Book: Making Conversation: Seven Essential Elements of Meaningful Communication

Making Conversation Website
@f_dust on Twitter
@fdbrave on Instagram

Dr. Thomas Hoerr — Multiple Intelligences:

  • Designing schools differently to create multiple intelligent students. [30:09]
  • The happiness quotient of students is an important measure for teachers, principals, and administrators. [35:41]
  • Ideas that promote experiential learning in a remote environment. [42:45]
  • A teacher’s motivation is seeing kids happy when learning. [47:19]
  • Tom describes the content of his forthcoming book, The Principal as CEO. [50:39]


Dr. Tom Hoerr led schools for 37 years and is the Emeritus Head of the New City School. He is a Scholar In Residence at the University of Missouri-St. Louis, teaching in the educational leadership program. His newest book, Taking Social Emotional Learning Schoolwide: The Formative Five Success Skills for Students and Staff, shows how school culture can be a tool for implementing SEL.

Book: Taking Social-Emotional Learning Schoolwide: The Formative Five Success Skills for Students and Staff


Thomas R Hoerr Website
@TomHoerr on Twitter

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